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I don't understand the idea of "the race to formalize metasystems". Isn't knowing when to use A and when to use B precisely the point of judgment, which can't be formalized in the manner of rules but must be derived from experience, knowledge, and insight? It seems to rely on the assumption that the process by which Confucius knew to say different things to Zilu than to Zigong is the same process by which Confucius gave rules for mourning.

In most endeavors, different rules are given to people at different levels, because rules are lossy compression. In chess, beginners learn the numerical values of the pieces, so they don't (for example) overrate the knight's jump and value it more highly than a rook. A beginner's rook-for-knight trade is almost certainly wrong; a grandmaster's positional queen sacrifice is likely correct. Beginners also learn rules like Ben Finegold's "never play f3": it's easier to say "never play f3" than to accurately convey the underlying ideas (which I wouldn't presume to understand beyond kingside positional weaknesses) in a manner conducive to appreciation of the exceptions, and "never play f3" may realistically lead to improvement, but, while in any case the advancing chess player will go through a progression of understanding, one who was told "never play f3" will likely overrate the commonness of f3 in advanced chess, simply because f3 was made salient by an instruction given at an earlier stage, and may indeed _have to_ overplay f3 to progress toward a proper understanding of the contextual appropriateness of f3. I'm sure people with deep knowledge of any given field (or indeed even mediocre knowledge; I can't claim any particular skill in chess) could provide examples from their own.

It's just not clear to me that anything that emerges from the metasystematic stage can be called an "ideology", or indeed "new". Considering the example of chess: common patterns, beyond ideology or prescription, recur throughout human endeavors; it's useful to have well-studied and more directly observable endeavors, like chess (or American football, in an earlier age), to illustrate these, which is not a new idea but merely a defense of the principle of the desirability of cultivation and well-roundedness. We pick certain 'frivolous' and somewhat arbitrary endeavors – chess, go, American football, piano, guqin, guitar – and invest in them to a degree beyond their first-order merits, because we believe them to illustrate properties of endeavors as a whole, and to illuminate what is occulted by the practice-structure of the vast and most consequential endeavors of the world.

Latinism's avatar

Have you read 萬曆十五年? Considering its huge popularity I assume you probably have, but I will shill it for anyone reading the comments anyway. I found it gave me a more visceral understanding for what the supposed "ideological stagnation" of the Ming/Qing really meant, and how it is perpetuated.

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